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Interview: Jason Stephens

When The Choir of Hard Knocks won a Logie as Most Outstanding Factual Series the voice over boomed, “Accepting the award is the show’s creator and presenter, Jonathon Welch!”

Except, that didn’t quite give viewers the full picture. What was that guy from the D-Generation doing there beside him?

Jason Stephens, who conceived the ABC series, has long put his performing days behind him, preferring to work creatively in production. His CV is quickly becoming dotted with projects that are heaped with praise. The King. The Choir of Hard Knocks. Newstopia. In our relatively small industry, that’s tantamount to ‘hitmaker’ status. He spoke to TV Tonight about his rise to glory, with two of his projects scoring wins at the Logie Awards.

“We’d won a couple of ASTRAs and some AFIs, so I was quietly confident (The King) was going to do ok,” he said. “But you go to those nights thinking it’s a bit of a lottery. I was particularly happy for Stephen (Curry) because he’d worked so hard and I think, all kudos to him because he gave such a great performance. And at the end of the day the whole film rested on his performance. There was a fair bit of pressure that went with it as well.”

Stephens is now Director of Development with FremantleMedia –a cushy title if ever there was one. He is given the envious task of overseeing a small team constantly looking at new formats that will be pitched to networks, and should they become hits, franchised internationally. In such a role, he doesn’t miss the on-screen days of the Late Show, preferring a vehicle that facilitates his passion: new ideas.

The D Generation was always working on fresh ideas and having them to go air nationally each week. Now that I think about it I was always writing comedy scripts and thinking ‘gee who could play this?’ as opposed to thinking I was writing for myself. I guess that was a bit of a clue that performing wasn’t the number one priority for me.

“When I meet people who want to do stand up or want to be actors the ones who are driven, who kind of get there are really committed. I was never that sort of driven. Unless you’re passionate about those kinds of things you’ll quickly fall off.”

On Sunday Stephens stepped back into the spotlight, albeit momentarily, for due praise in creating the Choir of Hard Knocks. Choirmaster Jonathon Welch has traditionally been ‘the face’ of the hit show, a function that has served the project well. Despite it being Stephens’ concept, he remains comfortable with the media focus on Welch. It was something of a ‘win / win.’

“In terms of making the show we made a decision, not even a conscious decision. It was never going to make good TV to talk about where the idea came from. You don’t really want to put that television construct in the storytelling. It kind of gets in the way.

“So we said, y’know, Jonathon started up his own choir -which he did really. But we didn’t talk about the couple of stages before that which were me tracking him down. He’d already done it before in Sydney on a smaller scale about 4 or 5 years ago. But I tracked him down and said ‘I’ve read about this homeless choir in Montreal, and know you’ve done the same thing in Sydney and said would you like to it again in Melbourne on a much bigger scale with real support?’”

Now the show is being considered by a number of territories including France, Denmark, Germany and New Zealand.

This year Stephens has been busy with two projects, Newstopia for SBS and the upcoming Comedy Slapdown for the Comedy Channel.

After its second series, he is comfortable with where Newstopia is sitting and acknowledges the positives and negatives of not being in the spotlight of prime-time commercial television.

“We’d like to have more people watching it,” he concedes. “I feel like it’s a strong show but the problem has always been it’s ‘Off Broadway’ on SBS. It’s a network that doesn’t always attract a lot of people by the nature of it, but there’s advantages to that too.

“We’re given complete creative freedom and the show’s allowed to organically grow, as opposed to having the pressure of being on a commercial network. In an earlier timeslot the pressure’s on so I guess you can’t have it both ways.”

Stephens is in discussion with SBS about a third season of Newstopia hopefully eyeing September or thereafter.

“I think they’re really happy with the show. It’s been good for both sides.”

Comedy Slapdown meanwhile is another original format, bringing together 17 comedians, in theatresports-style rounds set in a wrestling ring. Comedians including Tom Gleeson, Julia Zemiro, Stephen Hall and Matt Tilley will comprise 5 teams of 3 round robin competition over 12 eps. It is hosted by H.G. Nelson.

It’s all part of a role that sees him oversee a number of genres. Busy boy.

“In terms of drama I’m developing a couple of different projects. And then there’s light entertainment, and then factual shows. So we’re across about three or four different genres and always working them up at various stages of development.

“Personally I’d love to do another drama off the back of The King. But I think in terms of the company’s sake it would be great to have a long running variety / light entertainment show, which I think everybody’s after.”

With his ninety-seconds of award glory for the Choir of Hard Knocks over, Stephens is back to the business of finding the next hit format.

“It was nice. It was good to get up there with (Jonathan). I’d been living with it a year even before I pitched it.

“The Logie for that was liberating in a way just to put it behind me and move on.”

TV1 will re-screen Stephen Curry’s Logie-winning performance as The King this Sunday at 8:30pm.

5 Responses

  1. David, with regards to “Choir Of Hard Knocks” I did say “All kudos to him for finding and making the thing work..” but the simple fact is that the claim this was his original idea is extremely hard to credit, especially because he is a TV professional (and otherwise a pretty impressive one, it seems) and must surely know there are a substantial number of very similar formats which pre-date COHK. Even “Trial by Choir” (troubled kids instead of homeless) went to air the year before. Sure, credit where credit is due, but here? Forgive my doubts. Also my doubts that “execution” is the only valid criterion of originality. Anyway, peace brother. Sorry if I ticked you off and keep up the great site.

  2. Thanks for that article David, I was curious to hear how he went from The Late Show to where he is now over the last decade or so.

    As you said, it’s one thing to have an idea, but another to execute it successfully and convince a network to pick it up.

  3. I totally enjoyed it thanks David. I’m a big late show/D-gen fan and have followed the careers of the cast over the years. Jason was always the hardest one to follow though, as he was never in the spotlight as much as Tom, Rob, Santo etc.
    It’s good to see him doing well and coming out of the shadows a tad.

  4. I’m assuming you’re referring to Choir of Hard Knocks concept… there were several referenced in the article.

    They say there are only ever 7 stories in the world…..even Andrew Denton had housemates in a house before Big Brother did. But do we say Denton was the creator of BB? No.

    In copyright everything rests on execution. In this interview Stephens himself referenced both Montreal and Jonathan Welch as inspiration. But the concept for CoHK, the execution, was his.

    Say what you like about what brought him to the final format, but the point is they brought HIM (and not somebody else) to the end game.

    His other successes also back up an impressive record, so I certainly dispute your claim of “total crock.”

    Since CoHK there is now Clash of the Choirs, Battle of the Choirs etc but Stephens isn’t their creator either. Following two Logie wins I felt it was timely to bring Stephens out from behind the spotlight. Hopefully others enjoyed the backstory.

  5. Oh, puh-leeze! This concept has has been produced all over the world for years now. Jason’s “Aw, shucks yeah, it was really me who invented it” schtick is a total crock. Why are you buying it? All kudos to him for finding and making the thing work but fair crack of the whip, eh, Jase? We’re not all idiots, you know, mate.

    Ah, television. Every success has a million fathers and every flop is an orphan.

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